What is perfect anyway - Guild Wars Forums

achiles the mermedon · May 02, 2008, 12:43 AM // 00:43

I am just wondering, because I am in no way an expert, when it comes to what people would consider to be perfect these days what is the general consencous on
(include mods or not, just wanna know what is "PERFECT")

Shield
Axe
Sword
Staff

Of course no one will ever agree 100% but we might get a general idea.

Covah · May 02, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Selling weapons.

Perfect = 15^50 20/20 and +30hp for melee weapons
+30hp -5 20% or +30hp +10 vs X for shields
Staff is usually open.

matsif · May 02, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

the general thought on perfect is:

(weapons: )
sundering [insert weapon] of fortitude
[low req - generally 9]
15 above 50%
20% sundering (20% chance)
health +30

(shields: )
[shield type] of fortitude
[low req - generally 9]
-5 dmg (20% chance)
health +30

staves and wands/focus vary depending on the job, but generally a set with 20% half recharge and 20% half cast time is the best.

kev read · May 02, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59

I like 15^enchanted (Guided By Fate) for a derv... but thats just because of all the self enchants. Maybe for an assassin too because they should have crit agility/crit defenses in pve... maybe 15^50 for pvp

farmerfez · May 02, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Mods don't affect prices at all, it's mainly determined by damage, req, and skin. Perfect mods are in the eye of the beholder, if someone uses stances they use 15% while in a stance, enchantments 15% while enchanted and so on so forth. There really is no PERFECT weapon modification, you simply mod weapons to how you like them and what you need.

Lawrence Chang · May 02, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

perfect = maximum possible effect/dmg of an item

Infectious · May 02, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Sundering Is Not Perfect On Swords Axes Or Hammers Ffs L2gws

Chthon · May 02, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

There is no consensus to be had. Trade spammers have a definition of "perfect" that actually involves really crappy mods. The actual optimum mods vary quite a bit from build to build. Moreover, many build require multiple weapon sets, each different, but "perfect" in its own way.

Musei Karasu · May 02, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

If you're speaking of the trading world, there's actually two meanings. Either in terms of a mod, which perfect is then the maximum the mod can do. On a weapon it means it's 20/20, 15^50, and +30 just like matsif said, although those mods really aren't the best out there, just what traders call perfect. It can also means it's req 9 with max damage and either inherent 15^50 or inscribable.

N E D M · May 02, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Perfect weapons =
Maximum damage
All modifier slots filled with maximum mods
gold text

:note - perfect doesn't always mean good -
+20% dmg while hexed is a perfect martial weapon mod, but is generally unwanted for example.

Master Sword Keeper · May 02, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07

you can more or less get perfect anything, so long as you got the right mods.

E.G standard perfect: Sword 20% armour penetration by 20%, 15% more damage whilst health above 50% and the always recommended Health +30 and requires 9 (item mastery)

Theres always the conventional Caster blade

a rare or uncommon skin, No real req, so either 1through to 13 as long as there is an inscription slot. +5 energy modification, 20% enchanting modification. Standard caster blade.

Or and energy weapon.

A Zealous mod, A +5 nrgy mod and a HP+30 mod. Req 8 or 9. Req is vital for an energy weapon. Quick simple and effective.

Same goes for Bows,daggers etc etc.

Shields are easy HP+30 Req 9 -5 dmg by 20%.

Simple. easy enough?

StormDragonZ · May 02, 2008, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Perfect = what works best for you at max stats

moriz · May 02, 2008, 05:25 AM // 05:25

"perfect" mods is generally the mod combination that is worth the most money. this isn't always the most effective however.

on the topic of sundering vs vampiric, while it's true that vampiric will yield the most DPS, sundering is very effective on weapons with high maximum damage.

ever seen what a sundering+critical eviscerate looks like? it's been known to instantly kill a target at half health.

Targuil · May 02, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

"perfect" mods is generally the mod combination that is worth the most money. this isn't always the most effective however.

on the topic of sundering vs vampiric, while it's true that vampiric will yield the most DPS, sundering is very effective on weapons with high maximum damage.

ever seen what a sundering+critical eviscerate looks like? it's been known to instantly kill a target at half health.

It's like 120 dmg+deepwound so ~220. Less if targed has less health. Those targets must have had really low max hp, or dped heavily.

Jetdoc · May 02, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

"on the topic of sundering vs vampiric, while it's true that vampiric will yield the most DPS, sundering is very effective on weapons with high maximum damage [if you get really lucky and hit the 1 out of 5 chance at the exact time that you apply a spiking skill].

Not this debate again. :smackshead:

I edited your post above [in brackets] for what I believe you're trying to say.

Ghengis Kwell · May 02, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53

You ask "What is perfect anyway" I say

Me

achiles the mermedon · May 02, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

you can more or less get perfect anything, so long as you got the right mods.

E.G standard perfect: Sword 20% armour penetration by 20%, 15% more damage whilst health above 50% and the always recommended Health +30 and requires 9 (item mastery)

Theres always the conventional Caster blade

a rare or uncommon skin, No real req, so either 1through to 13 as long as there is an inscription slot. +5 energy modification, 20% enchanting modification. Standard caster blade.

Or and energy weapon.

A Zealous mod, A +5 nrgy mod and a HP+30 mod. Req 8 or 9. Req is vital for an energy weapon. Quick simple and effective.

Same goes for Bows,daggers etc etc.

Shields are easy HP+30 Req 9 -5 dmg by 20%.

Simple. easy enough?

Ok so this is where the question actually was going
I agreed all along with what is said here ie "Shields are easy HP+30 Req 9 -5 dmg by 20%." and "standard perfect: Sword 20% armour penetration by 20%, 15% more damage whilst health above 50% and the always recommended Health +30 and requires 9 (item mastery)"

Then I am browsing through these forums and come across a post "Beef with EGGs" (end game greens).
From what I see posted in here the swords and shields at the end of prophecies or any other area pretty much are "perfect", yet the op goes on and on on how those are actually for real casual players that don't really care and they are a "nice reward" for finishing the game but not worth much more than that. So is perfect actually turning into something that just sells for a lot of ectos or is perfect trully a great shield or sword with the above stats? (skin rarity aside).

Jetdoc · May 02, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by achiles the mermedon

So is perfect actually turning into something that just sells for a lot of ectos or is perfect trully a great shield or sword with the above stats? (skin rarity aside).

Perfect means that it appeals to the masses without any sort of downside.

-5(20%) and 20/20 Sundering Mods are the epitome of that...they look really good because they are not conditional on anything other than luck. That makes them nice mindless modifiers.

However, it's been proven many times that those mods are simply inferior to most mods out there, and sometimes are one of the worst mods you can put on an item.

So, to answer your question, "perfect" means "no downside". "Perfect", however, generally means that it simply is inferior in functionality.

snaek · May 02, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

my definition of 'perfect' mods r generally ones that u can use in every situation

20/20 sundering and -5(20%) can be beneficial in every situation

there r, however better mods to use in certain situations...
and thats wut u have weapon swapping for

Red Sand · May 02, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by N E D M

Perfect weapons =
Maximum damage
All modifier slots filled with maximum mods
gold text

:note - perfect doesn't always mean good -
+20% dmg while hexed is a perfect martial weapon mod, but is generally unwanted for example.

/agreed

But it doesn't have to be gold.

The whole sundering/fortitude thing is a misconception that has become common among buyers and traders though. To each his own.

May 02, 2008, 12:43 AM // 00:43	#1
achiles the mermedon Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: W/Mo	What is perfect anyway I am just wondering, because I am in no way an expert, when it comes to what people would consider to be perfect these days what is the general consencous on (include mods or not, just wanna know what is "PERFECT") Shield Axe Sword Staff Of course no one will ever agree 100% but we might get a general idea.

May 02, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46	#2
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	Selling weapons. Perfect = 15^50 20/20 and +30hp for melee weapons +30hp -5 20% or +30hp +10 vs X for shields Staff is usually open.

May 02, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48	#3
matsif Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Warriors of Factions [WOF] Profession: E/Me	the general thought on perfect is: (weapons: ) sundering [insert weapon] of fortitude [low req - generally 9] 15 above 50% 20% sundering (20% chance) health +30 (shields: ) [shield type] of fortitude [low req - generally 9] -5 dmg (20% chance) health +30 staves and wands/focus vary depending on the job, but generally a set with 20% half recharge and 20% half cast time is the best.

May 02, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59	#4
kev read Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Celestial Twilight [CT] Profession: D/	I like 15^enchanted (Guided By Fate) for a derv... but thats just because of all the self enchants. Maybe for an assassin too because they should have crit agility/crit defenses in pve... maybe 15^50 for pvp

May 02, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00	#5
farmerfez Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: You should know Profession: W/	Mods don't affect prices at all, it's mainly determined by damage, req, and skin. Perfect mods are in the eye of the beholder, if someone uses stances they use 15% while in a stance, enchantments 15% while enchanted and so on so forth. There really is no PERFECT weapon modification, you simply mod weapons to how you like them and what you need.

May 02, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01	#6
Lawrence Chang Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: United States Guild: [SOHE] Profession: W/	perfect = maximum possible effect/dmg of an item

May 02, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16	#7
Infectious Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Zealand FTW Guild: Ex Talionis [Law]	Sundering Is Not Perfect On Swords Axes Or Hammers Ffs L2gws

May 02, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22	#8
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	There is no consensus to be had. Trade spammers have a definition of "perfect" that actually involves really crappy mods. The actual optimum mods vary quite a bit from build to build. Moreover, many build require multiple weapon sets, each different, but "perfect" in its own way.

May 02, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58	#9
Musei Karasu Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Profession: Mo/	If you're speaking of the trading world, there's actually two meanings. Either in terms of a mod, which perfect is then the maximum the mod can do. On a weapon it means it's 20/20, 15^50, and +30 just like matsif said, although those mods really aren't the best out there, just what traders call perfect. It can also means it's req 9 with max damage and either inherent 15^50 or inscribable.

May 02, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58	#10
N E D M Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Officer's Club Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP]	Perfect weapons = Maximum damage All modifier slots filled with maximum mods gold text :note - perfect doesn't always mean good - +20% dmg while hexed is a perfect martial weapon mod, but is generally unwanted for example.

May 02, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07	#11
Master Sword Keeper Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dead Isle Guild: Farmers Of Woe [FoW] Profession: W/	you can more or less get perfect anything, so long as you got the right mods. E.G standard perfect: Sword 20% armour penetration by 20%, 15% more damage whilst health above 50% and the always recommended Health +30 and requires 9 (item mastery) Theres always the conventional Caster blade a rare or uncommon skin, No real req, so either 1through to 13 as long as there is an inscription slot. +5 energy modification, 20% enchanting modification. Standard caster blade. Or and energy weapon. A Zealous mod, A +5 nrgy mod and a HP+30 mod. Req 8 or 9. Req is vital for an energy weapon. Quick simple and effective. Same goes for Bows,daggers etc etc. Shields are easy HP+30 Req 9 -5 dmg by 20%. Simple. easy enough?

May 02, 2008, 04:44 AM // 04:44	#12
StormDragonZ Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York Profession: W/R	Perfect = what works best for you at max stats

May 02, 2008, 05:25 AM // 05:25	#13
moriz ??ber t??k-n??sh'??n Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Profession: R/	"perfect" mods is generally the mod combination that is worth the most money. this isn't always the most effective however. on the topic of sundering vs vampiric, while it's true that vampiric will yield the most DPS, sundering is very effective on weapons with high maximum damage. ever seen what a sundering+critical eviscerate looks like? it's been known to instantly kill a target at half health.

May 02, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53	#16
Ghengis Kwell Baby Maker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Guild: Sent Fromhell Profession: D/W	You ask "What is perfect anyway" I say Me

May 02, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25	#19
snaek Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	my definition of 'perfect' mods r generally ones that u can use in every situation 20/20 sundering and -5(20%) can be beneficial in every situation there r, however better mods to use in certain situations... and thats wut u have weapon swapping for